Will the current political landscape dissuade foreign students

[Cowbells123]

Good for Harvard for not bowing to kiss the ring. Hoping this is the needed shift for other universities to find a backbone.

Cowbells … will you join me in condemning the antisemitism at Harvard?

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2024 ... tism-real/

What the administration is doing has nothing to do with addressing acts of Anti-Semitism at universities but I assume you already know that.
What it is attempting to do is control free speech, academic integrity and make universities tools of state control.
I think you know everyone here opposes acts of violence and intimidation. I hope your commitment to that line extends to all who are persecuted.

[Remomex]

You'd think we're in a farm with the amount of straw in that argument. But spurious and specious argument is en vogue today.

Are we great yet?

I hope the US can one day have the world leading economy, stock market, GDP, academics, military, etc....

Oh wait. What exactly are we trying to make great?

[str8four]

Paradox, not sure on the background of how you are trolling Cowbells, but I will join you in condemning all antisemitism.

I will also note that the article doesn't demonstrate to me that Harvard has an antisemitism issue today in 2025 - apart from some people have different opinions from other people and all people have feelings that can be hurt (which is known as the human condition). I am sure antisemitism is real for the author of the article, but that doesn't mean it is a fact for an objective person.

Citing the actions and words of a university president from over 100 years ago (1909 - 1933) is a weak starting point for why Harvard is antisemitic today (2025). Calling Israel/Palestine/Canaan your "indigenous homeland" is also weak, as it ignores thousands of years of complex cultural interactions. Here is my summary: just because your scripture says your particular god gave your people this land doesn't mean the people living there (who have their own scriptures and god) agree with that.

Complaining about being called a "colonialists" is also weak. Unfortunately (or fortunately) the land belongs to the people who are strong enough to take and keep it (always has and always will). Your scripture is full of war stories about what your people did to take and keep the land. More recently, post WWII (with the backing of UK and USA military might) your people retook the land. If the Dutch, the British, the Spanish, and the rest of the Western Europeans are colonialists for settling the Americas, Africa, South East Asia, etc. during a particular period in history, then the Egyptians, the Romans, the Greeks, the Ottomans, the Turks, the Byzantines, the Huns, the Francs, the Germans, the Norse, etc. etc. including the Jews, were also colonialists, they just did their conquering during a different time window.

I understand that accepting your people were colonialists (oppressors) is hard because you feel like the victim (the oppressed) in this situation (being a student on the campus of the richest and most elite university in the world). But here is a little secret, your simplified binary way of seeing people and your experience in life, is a bunch of crap.

Sometimes you (or the group you identify with) are the “bad guy” even when you didn’t intend to be. 736 Israeli civilians were killed during the horrible October 7, 2023 attack. In response the booming of Gaza has killed at least 60,000 Palestinians with possibly another 60,000 dying of starvation. There are a million ways to look at the situation to defend, justify, or articulate a position. And one of the very reasonable interpretations is that your people are the bad guys. If you want the readers of your Op-Ed to understand why you feel like a victim at Harvard (which is small potatoes IMO), you must also understand why Palestinians see Israelis as the bad guy on a more life-and-death global scale.

Fortunately, Jewish scriptures also contain lots of wisdom that call for you to be open-minded, responsible, accepting, and reasonable. I like Ecclesiastes 3:1-8: “To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven”. IMO this is the time to mourn and fight against the atrocities going on in various wars; not the time to complain about how you feel because of protests on the Harvard campus.

[lt.wolf]

Breaking news, we cannot imagine being an international student rowing in US right now.

[lt.wolf]

The general consensus is that it’s unlikely to proceed legally, though it may cause some short-term disruption to recruiting.

[Remomex]

Thankfully for Harvard their lawyers know the definition of habeas corpus and have plenty of legal expertise. It'll be a distraction and is awful for the students and their families but they will be fine.

[lt.wolf]

That was fast

[socalstroke]

That was fast

This injunction flows from a case in Oakland, CA. Might protect students already in country from deportation proceedings but does not address Harvard's ability to enroll international students.

Also, a weird quirk/gray area of immigration law is that technically you do not need to leave the country if your student visa expires. You lose the ability to reenter the country and you cannot work legally, but technically you can remain in the country and attend university.

[str8four]

From a rowing perspective this has to be a huge distraction for the team as they try to prepare to win their first IRA title since 2005.

IRA will be very exciting as I can honestly see up to 4 different crews (Cal, UW, Harvard, and Dartmouth) winning it if they peak and have their best race. But it won't even be easy to get into that final with Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Brown and maybe even Penn, Syracuse and NE ready to pounce if someone makes a mistake or has a flat Semi.

I think 2004 was the last time getting into the final or a medal was this competitive, but that year Harvard was almost a lock to win and did so by open water. This year a crew that has the potential to win it could also find themselves in the Petite - that is awesome IMO. It is a shame that Harvard was called out specifically and that their rowers have to deal with this distraction. Then again all international students are probably a little nervous and maybe Charlie can turn this adversity into motivation.

[fatsculler]

If it comes down to a legal battle between team Orange 47 and team Crimson my money is on Crimson

[lt.wolf]

Now Charley has nine athletes who are even more motivated than before

[sandor]

That was fast

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Also, a weird quirk/gray area of immigration law is that technically you do not need to leave the country if your student visa expires. You lose the ability to reenter the country and you cannot work legally, but technically you can remain in the country and attend university.

Ask Elon Musk about that...
...dropped out of school, overstayed student visa, illegally started working...the rest is history.
Should we revoke his citizenship & deport him?

[sandor]

If it comes down to a legal battle between team Orange 47 and team Crimson my money is on Crimson

Yeah, but ICE could raid the regatta & the kids could be on their way to South Sudan before the courts even react.

[Cowbells123]

That was fast

...
Also, a weird quirk/gray area of immigration law is that technically you do not need to leave the country if your student visa expires. You lose the ability to reenter the country and you cannot work legally, but technically you can remain in the country and attend university.

Ask Elon Musk about that...
...dropped out of school, overstayed student visa, illegally started working...the rest is history.
Should we revoke his citizenship & deport him?

Yes please….

[yeahbuddy]

Hey Yankees, can you give me some insights into how this administration has positively impacted rowing?