Oxford’s chief women’s coach stands down

[fatsculler]

Andy Nelder, chief coach of the Oxford University Women’s team has stood down after 6 years in charge of the women’s programme Unfortunately the stats do not do justice to his impact at Oxford with Cambridge having won every race during his time in charge of Oxford.

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

It surely comes down to Recruitment?

[FullSend]

It surely comes down to Recruitment?

How does recruitment work in these situations? Seems like the athletes have to like the school/academic program first and foremost and rowing program second, but I have very little familiarity with the Oxbridge process

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

Plant the seed in the head at major events. Use the global Brand.

[fatsculler]

It surely comes down to Recruitment?

How does recruitment work in these situations? Seems like the athletes have to like the school/academic program first and foremost and rowing program second, but I have very little familiarity with the Oxbridge process

yep, for experienced athletes who have the brains, and inclination to do a postgraduate course they have to want to go to Oxford (or Cambridge) they aren't actively recruited. similarly for undergrads, they have to want to be at Oxford and Cambridge, given the fairly aggressive recruitment of young British talent by the US colleges it's sometimes a challenge for Oxbridge to get top level rowers out of school. There has been a tendency over the last few years, especially at Oxford, to develop athletes who only started rowing when they went up.

[oldman]

Our women were approached by a CUWBC rep after our finals at NCAAs, handing out business cards. This was the middle of the day Saturday, after the D3 finals mind you.

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

It surely comes down to Recruitment?

How does recruitment work in these situations? Seems like the athletes have to like the school/academic program first and foremost and rowing program second, but I have very little familiarity with the Oxbridge process

yep, for experienced athletes who have the brains, and inclination to do a postgraduate course they have to want to go to Oxford (or Cambridge) they aren't actively recruited. similarly for undergrads, they have to want to be at Oxford and Cambridge, given the fairly aggressive recruitment of young British talent by the US colleges it's sometimes a challenge for Oxbridge to get top level rowers out of school. There has been a tendency over the last few years, especially at Oxford, to develop athletes who only started rowing when they went up.

I think you will find there is active recruitment. It’s different than college in the US because the athletes are older but it certainly happens.

[FullSend]

Sounds a bit like how the Ivys/service academies recruit football.

You're out there recruiting, but your pool is aggressively limited to athletes with the academics/desire to be at that school first and foremost.

It seems like before OBU was this prominent, top GB athletes were more likely to do Oxbridge as their bridge to senior national team. Now they have the option of just doing OBU and not having to worry as much about academics

[Long'n Strong]

Sounds a bit like how the Ivys/service academies recruit football.

You're out there recruiting, but your pool is aggressively limited to athletes with the academics/desire to be at that school first and foremost.

It seems like before OBU was this prominent, top GB athletes were more likely to do Oxbridge as their bridge to senior national team. Now they have the option of just doing OBU and not having to worry as much about academics

Brookes versus Books

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

Sounds a bit like how the Ivys/service academies recruit football.

You're out there recruiting, but your pool is aggressively limited to athletes with the academics/desire to be at that school first and foremost.

It seems like before OBU was this prominent, top GB athletes were more likely to do Oxbridge as their bridge to senior national team. Now they have the option of just doing OBU and not having to worry as much about academics

Brookes versus Books

Brookes have completely monopolized the undergrad market in the UK

This year, even the pretenders who were having a go at Brookes faded away.

[nike]

Allan French has got the Oxford Women's Chief Coach role. He shall be starting in the new year whilst he finishes his contract as Head of Rowing at a school. Prior to this Allan coached the Oxford Brookes women's squad.

[nike]

Sounds a bit like how the Ivys/service academies recruit football.

You're out there recruiting, but your pool is aggressively limited to athletes with the academics/desire to be at that school first and foremost.

It seems like before OBU was this prominent, top GB athletes were more likely to do Oxbridge as their bridge to senior national team. Now they have the option of just doing OBU and not having to worry as much about academics

Brookes versus Books

Brookes have completely monopolized the undergrad market in the UK

This year, even the pretenders who were having a go at Brookes faded away.

Brookes do an excellent job with recruitment and developing those who may not have been superstars as Juniors. They have a programme that is extremely tough but they are absolutely clear on the culture and expect buy in from athletes.
Other uni's in UK are able to recruit top athletes who may not get into Oxbridge such as Durham/UL/IC/Bristol/Newcastle/Nottingham/Edinburgh
These unis are competing with the US colleges and, as we have seen, many are heading over the water for an Ivy League degree. The other unis in US who recruit can do so on a financial footing lightyears ahead of the UK Unis. Winning Henley or going to junior worlds will have them lining the pontoon with a huge offer. Its great athletes have so many options available to them.

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

Sounds a bit like how the Ivys/service academies recruit football.

You're out there recruiting, but your pool is aggressively limited to athletes with the academics/desire to be at that school first and foremost.

It seems like before OBU was this prominent, top GB athletes were more likely to do Oxbridge as their bridge to senior national team. Now they have the option of just doing OBU and not having to worry as much about academics

Brookes versus Books

Brookes have completely monopolized the undergrad market in the UK

This year, even the pretenders who were having a go at Brookes faded away.

Brookes do an excellent job with recruitment and developing those who may not have been superstars as Juniors. They have a programme that is extremely tough but they are absolutely clear on the culture and expect buy in from athletes.
Other uni's in UK are able to recruit top athletes who may not get into Oxbridge such as Durham/UL/IC/Bristol/Newcastle/Nottingham/Edinburgh
These unis are competing with the US colleges and, as we have seen, many are heading over the water for an Ivy League degree. The other unis in US who recruit can do so on a financial footing lightyears ahead of the UK Unis. Winning Henley or going to junior worlds will have them lining the pontoon with a huge offer. Its great athletes have so many options available to them.

But if you know anything about US Junior rowing you would know that many of the GB athletes are only advanced because they have been in sophisticated programs and started at 13/14 whereas the American kids have often only done 3-4 sessions a week. The US is also full of 6ft female swimmers and basketball players who would overtake many of these kids in one year or two and remember US is 4 years of college.

Lots of US Colleges I am sure a pretty disappointed once the athletes arrive from abroad.