Quad selection updates?

[The Stig]

I know why you stay with him. Lots of spouses have felt that same need throughout the years. Don't be afraid. He doesn't love you and he will keep beating you. It is time for sculling to leave because you can't you can't do worse than staying where you are.

It is time; "Earls gotta die".

And if you are going to use the LM4x to support your position against clubs you have to defend decades of losing while touring Europe for the summer in the LM4-. They are both bad club programs. The one with sweeps is sponsored by US Rowing. The one with sculls is limited by US Rowing.

Why is it you insist on staying. You know they don't want you.

He only beats me cause he loves me.

[crewu]

I know why you stay with him. Lots of spouses have felt that same need throughout the years. Don't be afraid. He doesn't love you and he will keep beating you. It is time for sculling to leave because you can't you can't do worse than staying where you are.

It is time; "Earls gotta die".

And if you are going to use the LM4x to support your position against clubs you have to defend decades of losing while touring Europe for the summer in the LM4-. They are both bad club programs. The one with sweeps is sponsored by US Rowing. The one with sculls is limited by US Rowing.

Why is it you insist on staying. You know they don't want you.

Enjoy a few drinks with lunch today? Let me guess...Stanford just announced some new tier one recruits. Cardinal really needs to schedule a duel with Yale next spring. Better yet, do it in the Fall as a 3 miler.

[Long & Low]

OK, so maybe using battered wife syndrome as a metaphor is a over the top. My bad. But the indifference to sculling at US Rowing is well established. They are never going to be any help. Why not make them get out of the way.

Yale could get an invite to the Stanford Invitational just by asking. Steve and Amerkhanian talk a couple of times a week. I suspect they have talked about it. I think the problem is the academic schedule and the fact that Yale has a tough Cup Racing series that makes it tough to travel in the spring. (If you get a weekend off between Harvard and Brown, you would never fly 3000 miles for a triple header against Cal Wisco and Stanford.)

[tiger1414]

From what I've gathered, the main reason this lineup was finally chosen was because it was the only combination that consistently beat the M4- in WR %. Hope the 4- is as good as everyone thinks!

[crewu]

From what I've gathered, the main reason this lineup was finally chosen was because it was the only combination that consistently beat the M4- in WR %. Hope the 4- is as good as everyone thinks!

Who said the 4- is any good?

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

From what I've gathered, the main reason this lineup was finally chosen was because it was the only combination that consistently beat the M4- in WR %. Hope the 4- is as good as everyone thinks!

Who said the 4- is any good?

From the pictures it looks very accurate and rows with a certain Australian feel. It certainly looks better than a lot of the crews behind Aus and GBR. I'd love to see a video but you may be in for a surprise.

But that's THE nightmare for a quad group. Continually changed, never settled, and continually pitched against a 4- which in the short term clips them or gets near. It just becomes slug fests each outing and no one takes the final quad away back to basics and builds and I mean for weeks, at low rates un stressed, installing technique. A quad will go very slowly if it's just four guys hauling. not saying this happened in this case but I've seen it a lot. Especially when the 4x ability is a bit rough round th edges or there is Disparity in technique. (I've hardly seen two male scullers look alike in the US)

We used to seat race at set lower rates to ensure it wasn't short term ability to rate high that was influencing the result.

[boomerkang]

From the pictures it looks very accurate and rows with a certain Australian feel. It certainly looks better than a lot of the crews behind Aus and GBR. I'd love to see a video but you may be in for a surprise.

What pictures? I saw the one in POTD yesterday, but other than that, the US M4- has been frustratingly cloak-and-dagger - especially considering they're the priority crew.

[hbh1636]

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[sul]

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And if you are going to use the LM4x to support your position against clubs you have to defend decades of losing while touring Europe for the summer in the LM4-. They are both bad club programs. The one with sweeps is sponsored by US Rowing. The one with sculls is limited by US Rowing.

Why is it you insist on staying. You know they don't want you.

US Rowing doesn't limit anything. There's no heavy men's double in the Olys and there's nothing that US Rowing or the nat'l camp has done to prevent a few really talented athletes and a quality coach from putting together a campaign to win a medal.

There are lots of things preventing that from happening, oh like, money to pay a coach, the means for these quality athletes to train professionally, and an overall program where they have confidence their success is only limited by their talent and will.

US Rowing doesn't prevent a Seattle or Newport or CRC or Penn AC, or Craftsbury, or OKC from doing just that.

The problem is that the resources are too scant, such that they are concentrated more on the camp system. Even those
are pathetic. Thus you have last decade and before, good small boat would arise out of Penn (of previous rejects) and get poached to go to Princeton, instead of them flipping them off and continuing to plan to race for a pair medal.

This is why I continue to say, it's not the selection method, be it camps, trials, combinations, whatever. Swimming and track are having their Oly trials right now. Some would say that this is not a good time to be doing this, what a few
weeks before? Peak twice with a fortnight in between?

But the talent level is so high, and support adequate for enough athletes, that if you check yesterday's results, looks to me like the best ones are making the team, and have prepared themselves well. HOLYF****, Brendan Hansen's back again.

As Stewie alluded to, selection is antithetical to development. The USA selects like crazy, but we do not develop. We don't teach elite ppl how to row, and especially how to race small boats.

[Long & Low]

Correct. Completely correct.

I retract my previous post, and amend my view to adopt Sul's, as if it were mine from the start.

And, don't tell crewu , but I did have a little wine with lunch.

[xenomuller]

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Simple observation.. The guys are at maximal reach at the catch and the blade is nowhere near being in the water, that could spell bad news.

[lt.wolf]

We are getting a bit rough Face it , we have our quad now. Wait not our quad, their quad. They did the work, they won the seat races , they are going to the 2012 Olympics . I know we put things under the microscope here but at this point it is time to show a little support. Stitt and Anderson chose to go for the double qualifier. With that they opened up the selection . It sucks they did not make the boat, Remember they choose the path. It is not the fault of the guys in the boat or out of the boat at where we stand in terms of development of the future. We are here and they are there rowing. I know I would have given a lot for the chance they now have. How many of you have walked that line. Even Xeno had a bad stroke or two at Worlds or the Olympics .

[swingswingtogether]

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Simple observation.. The guys are at maximal reach at the catch and the blade is nowhere near being in the water, that could spell bad news.

agree with xeno wholeheartedly. was a huge technical deficiency of the USA 8+ last season and if you watch the video on worldrowing is a glaring problem. The same tendency could be spotted in the still shots from the 4- too in 2011. It's difficult to tell the whole picture from these pictures (if you see what I mean) but they certainly do not look like they are making the right kind of movements and thinking the right kind of thoughts to be capable of picking the boat up quickly and effectively at the catch. Not completely worrying with a few weeks ago for you guys but I would be surprised if anyone could find a photo similar to this of the brits or aussies.

here's a good example of a crew getting the bottom of the blade an inch off the water an inch from the front:

http://intersport-images.photoshelter.c ... NM-&GI_ID=

from there it's a quick lift of the hands, seat changes direction and the blades are buried and connected at full slide. Then stick two phenomenal horses on the end of the handles until the handles reach the body and hey presto you've got a gold medal performance

[Stewie Griffin Should Cox]

I think I'd like to see The four without a bungee before I was too critical.

I see straight inside arms, similar body positions. Central weight and turned shoulders

Sure they need to put the blade in out there but that's coach able, improves with sharpening and at least they all get there at the same speed with the same shape and that's half the battle.

Set and prepped bodies on the approach to the catch and an Aussiesque carved finish with controlled and shaped handle around the back turn.

Bowman looks quite "drew ginn" at the catch in terms of shoulders arms and overall position.

I think what ou are seeing here is the Aussie paddling with blades carried very high off.

A video would be nice.

However.....to prove looks can be deceptive..go here.. And blow up the small pic of Ginns four in Munich and see how high they are off. Aussies carry high and come down last second.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/sports/su ... hree-golds

[crewu]

I hope the 4- is good. And the eight.

I get why the sculling side of things was butchered to carve out a stronger program on the sweep side. That makes sense too. Best wishes to KJ.

I am incredulous of the quad selection. Has nothing to do with money. Scullers 2 through 6 are not in the quad. Not one. They stay home. Guess I will have drinks with lunch tomorrow and just learn to accept that one.

The USA women are fantastic. London is Burning!